[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : Black Smoke & Low Power @ Startup.

 

Nate, I always use my fingers on the cat.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yabbutt ;
>
> Does it have the power to pull a greasy string out of a cat's bum ? .
>
> Many years of Mercedes OM616 & 617 Diesel Engines have EGR valves but they're usully stuck shut with soot ~ an easy test is to simply pull off the vacuum hose and see if that increases power appreciably .
>
> -Nate
> Tony wrote:
> >
> > We get just a little black smoke at start up, which is pretty unusual in big engines, I am used to seeing some white smoke until the engine is warm enough to burn all the fuel. Black smoke usually indicates carbon and shows up when the engine is working hard especially at lower revs.
> > I suspect that it is emission control related, do these lil darlins have EGR valves?
> >
> > Also Once there is any warmth in the eng no problem but for the first 2 or 3 minutes in the morning the car does not have enough power to pull the skin of a rice pudding.
> >
> > Tony,
> >
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil DEATH Turbo Diesel Sports Coupe

 

Nate,

In case there are any newbies reading this thread, they should know:

Nate is very protective of his MBs. 

If your objective is to experiment with or save money be using bio-fuels, the most forgiving car to use are the 78 to 84 MBs.

Although Nate was talking about the possibility of transesterfication of lipids into bio diesel, it is also possible to use Straight Vegetable Oils and not have to process anything in your backyard.  Bio-diesel is widely used and most users are satisfied.  Bio-diesel is also useful as an additive to dino diesel to restore the lubricity lost by the latest Ultra Low Sulfur diesel.

As Jim implied, the usual way that people use SVO is to have two tanks and to crank and shut down the engine on dino diesel.  After a few minutes of running on dino diesel, the water will have warmed the SVO heating gadgets and the SVO will burn nicely.

It is also possible to modify some cars to allow them to use SVO in a single tank system.  I would only trust the conversions kits designed by Elsbett.

Sold from Germany by Greaseenergy:

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Discussion here:

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Bobby
 
 
, Nate <vwnate1@yahoo.com> wrote:

 


I bought the car not running as junk after the boobs in The People's Republik Of Santa Monika ran it into the ground by running god alone knows what mixtures of vegitable oil until it stopped running and refused to start again.....

After I beat the price down to scrap value and purchased it , I made it run and drove it off the lot in choking clouds of smoke then peaked & tweaked it whilst driving it another 20,000 miles before it died early one morning , then I rebuilt the engine (ouch) and have been happily driving the living hell out of it ever since on Dino Diesel , it's stylish , comfy and surprisingly fast , I love out running Sports Cars in the mounatins and canyons & deserts in it .

I am aware one can make Bio-Fuels @ home but to do it right is very time consuming not to mention the ever present oil slick so I choose to buy Petro Fuel .

-Nate
Jim wrote:
>
> Did you start and stop it on veg, or did you start and diesel and warm it first before switching to veg, and then purge back to diesel before shutting down/cooling?
>
> Jim
>
>
>




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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Electric aux a/c condensor fan substitute

 


There are many newer design e-fans that move more air volume than the stock ones but , a stock one run through a temp. controlled relay should be fine .

If you're worried about too much cyrrent draw , consider using the correct BOSCH brand voltage regulator in your alternator , it really does make a big difference .

-Nate
Jim wrote:
>
> Howdy, I remember y'all talking about alternate fans for the aux (electric) fan on the front of the car (W123), the one that blows air over the condenser. I am interested in swapping mine out for one that draws less amps and blows more air. And cheap, too. And I want fast delivery LOL. Are there any "universal" fans out there that move more air and draw less amps, or has motor/airfoil technology not improved in 30 years?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Black Smoke & Low Power @ Startup.

 


Yabbutt ;

Does it have the power to pull a greasy string out of a cat's bum ? .

Many years of Mercedes OM616 & 617 Diesel Engines have EGR valves but they're usully stuck shut with soot ~ an easy test is to simply pull off the vacuum hose and see if that increases power appreciably .

-Nate
Tony wrote:
>
> We get just a little black smoke at start up, which is pretty unusual in big engines, I am used to seeing some white smoke until the engine is warm enough to burn all the fuel. Black smoke usually indicates carbon and shows up when the engine is working hard especially at lower revs.
> I suspect that it is emission control related, do these lil darlins have EGR valves?
>
> Also Once there is any warmth in the eng no problem but for the first 2 or 3 minutes in the morning the car does not have enough power to pull the skin of a rice pudding.
>
> Tony,
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Veggie Oil DEATH Turbo Diesel Sports Coupe

 


I bought the car not running as junk after the boobs in The People's Republik Of Santa Monika ran it into the ground by running god alone knows what mixtures of vegitable oil until it stopped running and refused to start again.....

After I beat the price down to scrap value and purchased it , I made it run and drove it off the lot in choking clouds of smoke then peaked & tweaked it whilst driving it another 20,000 miles before it died early one morning , then I rebuilt the engine (ouch) and have been happily driving the living hell out of it ever since on Dino Diesel , it's stylish , comfy and surprisingly fast , I love out running Sports Cars in the mounatins and canyons & deserts in it .

I am aware one can make Bio-Fuels @ home but to do it right is very time consuming not to mention the ever present oil slick so I choose to buy Petro Fuel .

-Nate
Jim wrote:
>
> Did you start and stop it on veg, or did you start and diesel and warm it first before switching to veg, and then purge back to diesel before shutting down/cooling?
>
> Jim
>
>
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Oh No ! (here We Go Again)

 


OOPS ! .

Tom was asking me why didn't I get the E-Mail he sent me , it's here , not sent to my E-Mail , sorry folks .

We had a good productive day out under the sun .

-Nate
Tom wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> We could go to Long Beach in the morning. In the afternoon, while it
> is hot outside, maybe you could supervise me in the shady garage and make
> sure that I don't get the wrong wire on the wrong spark plug on the Caddy.
>
> I've looked at both the HBOL and the Chilton's book. Both of them
> show that Cadillac changes the rotation of the distributor every year or two.
> So it looks as if the cable hold down ring that I so carefully sneaked out
> of the yard has the numbers for a counterclockwise year, and my engine is
> a clockwise one.
>
> So much for having the molded in cylinder numbers.
>
> It's just after 10:00 now and I'm heading to bed. So I'll be up
> reasonably early.
>
> Tam
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/13/2012 6:20:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> vwnate1@... writes:
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>
>
>
>
> I stopped in to fill up my beloved Turbo Diesel Sports Coupe this
> afternoon after driving 15 miles through South Central L.A. (sounds scary but it's
> the same as Peoria) with the fuel gauge on "E" and the green triangle
> leering at me......
>
> 429 miles , AC on pretty much the whole tank , 25.7 MPG .
>
> As it was filling I popped the hood as I'm 75 miles to routine oil &
> filter change and looked at the clear plastic intake screen and Lo ! once again
> I detect tiny chunks of coal looking stuff , the liquid fuel proper , is
> clear as glass but the mesh screen inside the red supports , looked full so I
> quickly popped the trunk and opened the stock tool kit and grabbed the # 2
> phillips screw driver , removed the screen and blew it out backwards , then
> re - installed it feed end first as there was fuel dribbling out the open
> hose , then I held it upright and allowed all the air bubbles to bleed out
> before re connecting the other hose .
>
> The car seems to run fine but I always worry about those damn fungus bits
> , maybe Tom and I will go to Long beach Pick-A-Part to-morrow worning and
> pass by West Marine where i'll buy yet another gallon jug of Startron by
> starbright .
>
> -Nate
>

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[diesel_mercedes] A Good Day Out

 

 
Tom came by this morning early and took me off to one of the smaller but still good Self-Service junkyards in The South Bay , I found a rather nice 1989 W-126 300SD with 200,800 mies ,  new motor mounts , no dents , no oil leaks , recent injectors , so on and so forth so I removed the intake boot and discovered the intake was almost dry ~ a rare thing indeed as it indicates both little engine blowby and no oil leaks in the turbo's seals so we broke out the tools and in 35 minutes I had a spiffy new (used) turbo for my Coupe . I also got another spare air cleaner 'T' bracket as they still occasionally break on my car , Tom says I shouldn't drive it so hard & fast but what does he know  . they're cheap so I'll just keep replacing them  .
 
Near the entracne was a BIG trash barrel full of stuff , I'd spotted factory tool kit tools in it before so I began digging , it was pretty nasty as the yard apes toss random trash in there but in the end I found 10 tools I wanted including two of those hard to find threaded studs so handy for aligning your spare tire when changing a flat , also a brand new Heyco part of Water Pump Pliers , they're marked BMW but are still good quality .
 
The guy in charge of the used tools/trash , charged me $6 for all 10 tools and seemed amused I'd bothered to uload them re fill almost the entire trash bin , I tried not to do a Pee-Pee dance . Tom gathered up a bunch of Mercedes toolkit tools and also paid only $6 , the deal of the day for sure .
 
In end end , I got a turbo charger with all the hardware, brackers and clamps , the 'U' intake pipe , air cleaner  'T' bracket , 6 relays and a hand full of those fuel hose clamps all for only $147.83 including tax and core charge ~ it's good to be a " regular " where they know and like you .
 
He even gave me a 15 day refund / exchange warranty as if I'd ever return a used junykard part .
 
Then we headed off to West L.A. and replaced the ignition and wires on Tom's Hearse , it now runs smooth as silk again and will hopefully whistle through it's SMOG Test next week .
 
I felt pretty good for a change , always never ending pain and feeling useless , to - day I got some things done and feel good about that .
 
-Nate

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : Those plastic top radiators.

 

I could have made a sleeve I suppose, but figured if the plastic was brittle (twas crumbly) after having been through so many heating/cooling cycles, that it would be risky. Could not have made one beside the road, but the car was very polite and got us home.
Tony

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Stan George <ssgkag@...> wrote:
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> On 7/13/2012 12:12 PM, Nate wrote:
> > many engines have been ruined when the plastic radiator's top hose
> > connector simply snapped off without any warning..
>
> Somebody (maybe diesel giant) offers a sleeve kit for repairing the
> connector with a metal insert. I was going to repair mine with a metal
> tube I had but eventually just ordered a new one from Auto Haus Arizona
> for about $187. When mine broke, it left enough of a stub to get a hose
> clamp on.
>
> --
> Stan George Portland <<
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Saturday Morning

 

Saturday mornings are usually devoted to (a) wife doing the laundry, and (b) husband doing small fixes on the cars (for newbies that equates to two (twin) 1983 w123 300d turbo Desert Tan Mercedes. This morning a Palestinian immigrant from Nazareth stopped by and admired my handiwork. Lot's of folks from the middle east are partial to w123 240d's and 300d's as they were the Taxi Cabs they grew up with.

Topped off fluids including power steering (first time in a long while for Mary who was making growling noises, an indication that she was hungry. Then some hose replacements for both cars. And an air filter change for Martha - she did not need it, but one of the cannister hold down buffers was loose and I wanted to look at it. Turns out the rubber had separated so the buffer/bumper was in two separate parts. I happen to carry a few in my trunk, and it would have been easy to just change it out - BUT, I decided to see if Super Glue was up to the task. It will take a few weeks of wear and tear, and I don't really think it will hold up, but hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

brian from laverne (flying in to Love Field on Wednesday, and flying back late Sunday night)

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Electric aux a/c condensor fan substitute

 

I have a S fan in place of mechanical fan.Moves 4300cfm draws 10 watts


--- On Sat, 7/14/12, n61cm <jim@tazwade.com> wrote:

From: n61cm <jim@tazwade.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Electric aux a/c condensor fan substitute
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 14, 2012, 11:42 AM

 
Howdy, I remember y'all talking about alternate fans for the aux (electric) fan on the front of the car (W123), the one that blows air over the condenser. I am interested in swapping mine out for one that draws less amps and blows more air. And cheap, too. And I want fast delivery LOL. Are there any "universal" fans out there that move more air and draw less amps, or has motor/airfoil technology not improved in 30 years?

Thanks,

Jim

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Electric aux a/c condensor fan substitute

 

There was quite a discussion a few years back, and pictures of a changeover. Might search the archives for "auxiliary fan" and see what turns up. I'm sure someone will post something.

 
brian from laverne, ca
Mary (195K)  Martha (280K)
1983 w123 300d's
From: n61cm <jim@tazwade.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:42 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Electric aux a/c condensor fan substitute

 
Howdy, I remember y'all talking about alternate fans for the aux (electric) fan on the front of the car (W123), the one that blows air over the condenser. I am interested in swapping mine out for one that draws less amps and blows more air. And cheap, too. And I want fast delivery LOL. Are there any "universal" fans out there that move more air and draw less amps, or has motor/airfoil technology not improved in 30 years?

Thanks,

Jim



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[diesel_mercedes] Electric aux a/c condensor fan substitute

 

Howdy, I remember y'all talking about alternate fans for the aux (electric) fan on the front of the car (W123), the one that blows air over the condenser. I am interested in swapping mine out for one that draws less amps and blows more air. And cheap, too. And I want fast delivery LOL. Are there any "universal" fans out there that move more air and draw less amps, or has motor/airfoil technology not improved in 30 years?

Thanks,

Jim

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[diesel_mercedes] Black smoke at startup.

 

We get just a little black smoke at start up, which is pretty unusual in big engines, I am used to seeing some white smoke until the engine is warm enough to burn all the fuel. Black smoke usually indicates carbon and shows up when the engine is working hard especially at lower revs.
I suspect that it is emission control related, do these lil darlins have EGR valves?

Also Once there is any warmth in the eng no problem but for the first 2 or 3 minutes in the morning the car does not have enough power to pull the skin of a rice pudding.

Tony,

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Power Loss Video

 

You do not start or stop the diesel on veggie.  You can and maybe brake a piston.  The oil does not have the proper viscosity to fire unless it is 100 degrees out.  It is really important that you do a lot of study before you run other fuels in such a great engine.  My mechanic runs his MB diesel on used motor oil cut with kerosene.  Works fine. 
 
Boyd

From: n61cm <jim@tazwade.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:39 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Power Loss Video

 
Did you start and stop it on veg, or did you start and diesel and warm it first before switching to veg, and then purge back to diesel before shutting down/cooling?

Jim

--- In mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
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>
> No I am not ;
>
> I have the ruined piston and re sleeved engine block to prove it .
>
> -Nate
> Boyd wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > You are so wrong!   
> > Boyd
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Nate <vwnate1@>
> > To: mailto:diesel_mercedes%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:14 PM
> > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Power Loss Video
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Veggie oil anywhere in a Diesel powered vehicle is a bad idea IMO , it's what killed my poor Diesel Sports Coupe dead while they held it down and it squealed in pain and tried to get away .
> >
> > -Nate
> > Jim wrote:
> > >
> > > Veggie oil in the main tank is a bad idea IMHO.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
>



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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Power Loss Video

 

Did you start and stop it on veg, or did you start and diesel and warm it first before switching to veg, and then purge back to diesel before shutting down/cooling?

Jim

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Nate" <vwnate1@...> wrote:
>
>
> No I am not ;
>
> I have the ruined piston and re sleeved engine block to prove it .
>
> -Nate
> Boyd wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > You are so wrong!   
> > Boyd
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Nate <vwnate1@>
> > To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:14 PM
> > Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Power Loss Video
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Veggie oil anywhere in a Diesel powered vehicle is a bad idea IMO , it's what killed my poor Diesel Sports Coupe dead while they held it down and it squealed in pain and tried to get away .
> >
> > -Nate
> > Jim wrote:
> > >
> > > Veggie oil in the main tank is a bad idea IMHO.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
>

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