[diesel_mercedes] Re: Nate doesn't like veggie in diesel engines.

 

Bus runs like a (touch wood) champ, even after sitting for a month, hit the starter, and the engine is running sooner than you can get your finger off the start button. If I was going to use WVO again I would set up a washing operation for the oil. My oil was well filtered and warmed. All the theories may well be right, I just cannot afford to take chances of that nature. Whereas jealous husbands are a risk one may take, blown engines are not.
Tony.
PS; As part of my veggie oil usage we installed a coolant heated water separator, warming the fuel increased my mileage by 1/2 a mile per gallon. From 8 to 8.5 so in a Mercedes that would be like going from 24mpg to 25.5.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Bobby Yates Emory <liberty1@...> wrote:
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> Tony,
>
> It was not veggie oil that did in your expensive engine. It was blend -
> mixing wvo with diesel. People are theorizing that using a blend with dino
> Diesel causes a wax to build up in the fuel system.
>
> Using 50% wvo, unheated, may have caused inadequate vaporization which lead
> to coking affecting the injector nozzle, the rings, and/or other components.
>
> Sorry to hear about your expensive problems. Hope the bus runs well now.
>
> Bobby
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Lost, but we are making good time. <
> aldridgetony97@...> wrote:
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> > So in my 8mpg bus conversion, I was running up to 50% wvo, mixed into the
> > main tank. After one season, as we were nearing home 150miles away, Piston
> > 1 stopped, Pistons 2 through 6 kept on doing their thing.
> > The towing bill was around $2,000 (had insurance phew) the new used motor
> > was $3500, 2 months work to install by YT, and another $8,000 for mechanic
> > work to install my jake brakes and bolt up the transmission generally much
> > mucking about to get rolling again. We fluked on the new eng, it had just
> > been rebuilt when they dropped a crane on the truck it was in.
> > I do not think it was the veggie oil that caused piston one to stop (boy
> > you shoulda seen the mess, cylinder liner in pieces, con rod
> > pretselled,etc) but much as I cannot afford the $500 fill up on Dino D, I
> > cannot take a chance on a $12,000 eng rebuild.
> > Tony
> >
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "oldsinner111" <tccservice111@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thants good Lawrence.I will run wmo at 50% in emergency times
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Posted by: "Yahoo! Member Service" tccservice111@ oldsinner111
> > > > Date: Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:10 am ((PDT))
> > > > Here in Tennessee the Render got
> > > > tight with the health Dept.,and all places must have Render
> > service.They
> > > > are selling veg to hospitals to run their furnaces.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK. I still get the mom and pop establishments
> > that only do a few gallons a month. They fall in the cracks as no render
> > service wants to come out for small quantities & here in San Francisco
> > there are drop off points for used oil....hint hint. Lawrence Rhodes
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> --
> Toward freedom,
>
> Bobby Yates Emory
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting. W123

 


I assume that's an 80* C temp ? .

The glow plugs should be hot enough to give you a 3rd. degree burn should you be foolish enough to touch the brass , hexoganal part furthest out from the cylinder head (DO NOT do this !) .

I always wait a few seconds after the glowplug light goes out before operating the starter , this way ialways lights right off in less than 2/3 a crankshaft revolution .

Saves wear & tear on the starter motor and battery too .

Maybe it's time for a new secondary fuel filter and a Diesel Purge ? .

-Nate
Lawrence wrote :
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> All the easy answers have been addressed.  Used a multimeter and infrared thermometer to make sure.  Voltage dropped and an 80 degree temp noticed at each glow plug.  
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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Limited Slip Diffy

 


That's neat ! .

I missed the pricethough .

FWIW , Mercedes had limited slipdiff's for our oldies , I don't remember the code # that is always embossed on the build tag on the core support .

I expect those rusty old Grey Market cars we see in P-A-P all the time , are a good place to look .

-Nate
Bill wrote :
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> They make this for some Mercedes. Bill in Oregon
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> http://www.phantomgrip.com/
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[diesel_mercedes] Re : Drifting 300TD

 


1. : I _never_ allow my precious Metropolitan Nash FHC's rear end to step out like that , it shows either poor diver control or total disegard for the longevity of the car .

2. : once in a while , there's even guard rails where I prefer to
" let it out " a *tiny* bit .

3. : so far I've never crashed it , only broken 6 wheels . 5 left front and one left rear)

4. : I'd never , _EVER_ do this to the near pristine Euro. Spec. 300TD-T I bought and rebuilt for SWMBO although it's easily the most powerful Mercedes Diesel I've driven yet .

5. Tom , when he wants to , seems to have little difficulty keeping up with me in The Chop in either his 300SD or his old Cadillac S & S hearse.....

-Nate
Tom wrote :
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> Actually, that looks a lot like the way Nate drives his '59 Nash
> Metropolitan, except without all the tail wagging.
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> And Nate does it on narrow (sometimes as wide as 2 lane) California
> mountain roads.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24afjVqm2Uw Can't believe this is the same
> car as my daily driver. Lawrence Rhodes
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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting. W123

 

All the easy answers have been addressed.  Used a multimeter and infrared thermometer to make sure.  Voltage dropped and an 80 degree temp noticed at each glow plug.  

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Hard starting. W123

 


Just for fun ;

Try replacing all the flexible hoses between the injectors including that long one back to the housing .

When these return hoses get old and stiff , they allow air into the closed & looped fuel injection system after it sits awhile , causing hard cold starts .

IIRC you already checked your glow plugs and valve gaps .

If the engine is running @ idle , loosenng the 17 MM injector line to injector nuts _one_ flat will *instantly* cause weeping of DieselFuel and usually , miss firing of that cylinder .

Looking closely , if you see bubbles comig out in the weepeing fuel , there's a leak somewhere , usually in the intake screen's hose clamps or the secondary fuel filter's banjo bolt .

-Nate
Lawrence wrote :
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> Starting my car when warm is no problem.  Idles great.  However when cold the duration of disuse increases the hard starting.  If I let her rest for 2 hours a couple of misfires longer it just takes longer to start.  But once it catches it idles smoothly.  Could this be a sign of injector/check valve or other problem.  I pump my manual pump and open the injectors can't seem to get the injectors to weep.  Lawrence Rhodes..
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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Nate doesn't like veggie in diesel engines.

 


As clean & pristine as Tony keeps is old Coach , I'm sure he properly filtered his WVO too .

You alls can do as you like but , with the high milage and hard use I put on my poor old Mercedes Diesel Sports Coupe , I think I'll just keep on with refined dead dinosaurs for now....

_one_ $5,000.00 engine rebuild , definately caused by improperly prepared veggie oil , was enough for me ! .

I prefer to learn from others mistakes .

Yes , it can be done .

Will _you_ never tire of the un ending labor , mess and generalB.S. and take that -one-time- shortcut ? .

Who knows , I see dead veggie oil conversions in PickA-Part al the time .

-Nate
Tony wrote :
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> So in my 8mpg bus conversion, I was running up to 50% wvo, mixed into the main tank. After one season, as we were nearing home 150miles away, Piston 1 stopped, Pistons 2 through 6 kept on doing their thing.
> The towing bill was around $2,000 (had insurance phew) the new used motor was $3500, 2 months work to install by YT, and another $8,000 for mechanic work to install my jake brakes and bolt up the transmission generally much mucking about to get rolling again. We fluked on the new eng, it had just been rebuilt when they dropped a crane on the truck it was in.
> I do not think it was the veggie oil that caused piston one to stop (boy you shoulda seen the mess, cylinder liner in pieces, con rod pretselled,etc) but much as I cannot afford the $500 fill up on Dino D, I cannot take a chance on a $12,000 eng rebuild.
> Tony
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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Drifting 300TD

 

They make this for some Mercedes.  Bill in Oregon

http://www.phantomgrip.com/

 


From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of diyernh
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Drifting 300TD

 

They usually weld the differential solid for drifting.  You also can weld it for traction.

I welded my plow truck differential.  It pushes in a straight line well.  As you start turning a corner, the lack of a differential causes the tires to break free from the road.  The outside tire goes further, inside less distance.  The result is drifting on all corners without using the engine to break the tires free.

If you travel the roads, it's unsafe.  You don't have control in the corners.

Carl

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