Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : Hijacked E-Mails..where's Trish

 

Most likely all you heard was a buzzing noise.....it's a proven fact that after a while in BOTH men and women, all we hear is a buzzing noise.



On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Chip <czulli@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Well, when you report in, you really report in!

See all of the built up things you have been wanting to tell us about. It's not good for women to let all of these conversations get backlogged.

Chip
Houston

--
Trish Dougherty
PurrFect Harmony Farm
Ennis, TX
http:/purrfectharmonyfarm.intuitwebsites.com

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : CNG Conversions

 

Propane has higher pressure than NG, which means smaller jet. We used to see a lot of Albertians around here using propane in their cars. Propane used to be very cheap, not anymore. Also it takes 10% more propane than gasoline to run something. Max

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "n61cm" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> There is a diff between LP and CNG, methinks it would be converted for one or the other, prob LP gas in the US since CNG is rare AFAIK. The quickie $1k conversions that I am vaguely familiar with (they used to do this in New Zealand) required starting on gasoline (not familiar with diesel conversions) and then switching a manual fuel selector valve to the compressed gas (LP or CNG) for normal driving. The compressed gas fuel make the engines run hotter and have less power. Expectations were that the engines would wear out quicker using LP or CNG. Long hills, overheating conditions, towing a trailer, etc require liquid fuel. Can be switched on the fly while driving, using the fuel selector valve. In NZ, every gas station sold either LP or CNG for refueling. While I was down there on a trip, a car exploded like a bomb in Wellington, killing the driver. Must have gotten the trunk filled with LP or CNG and then ignited, who knows. I think all these cars were carbureted, but don't really know. Seem to remember a conversion where they took the carb off, put an LP or CNG fuel insert on, and then piggybacked the carb onto that. Don't know what would be used for fuel injected cars.
>
> Jim
>
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: And while we are letting just about anything post to this board even this..

 

Conversion kits for gassers sold all over Eastern Europe; Polish buddy of mine bought  a new Volvo over there and had the conversion done to propane or natural gas.

--- On Tue, 5/1/12, Lost but making good time. <aldridgetony97@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Lost but making good time. <aldridgetony97@yahoo.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: And while we are letting just about anything post to this board even this..
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 10:30 AM

Caterpillar Tractor has built some large (very big) diesels to run on LP/Propane they use 10% diesel to ignite the gas. Propane will not self ignite under pressure.
Then (dunno if this has been mentioned yet) you can inject a little propane into the air intake on a diesel, it is said to improve performance by as much as 30%.Word is that the propane makes the diesel burn more completely. Quite a few trucks in Canada running on a mix of propane/diesel.
Tony

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Yahoo! Member Service <tccservice111@...> wrote:
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> this is what they are doing all over Europe switching to natural gas.V12s even
>  
>
>
> --- On Tue, 5/1/12, Dwight <dwighthanson@...> wrote:
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>
> From: Dwight <dwighthanson@...>
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: And while we are letting just about anything post to this board....
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 8:53 AM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Are you sure it was natural gas? I have worked with propane before. Good fuel. You can always change it to gas if you want. Different plugs, advance curve, etc. You may need to run premium gas as on propane engines they had higher compression than gas. Natural gas may be the same.
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "n61cm" <jim@> wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't mess with it. Too dangerous IMHO.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <czulli@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So this is off topic, I have been given an RV that runs off of natural gas. Some of you guys know about this conversion. What am I getting into trying to get this RV up and running again? It has not run in 20 years. I think the engine is a Dodge 360 but am not sure. Vogue 30 foot, 1986 vintage.
> > >
> > > Hey, it was free!
> > >
> > > Chip
> > > Houston
> > > Now with a constant storage bill......next best thing to owning a wood boat.
> > >
> >
>




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[diesel_mercedes] Re: And while we are letting just about anything post to this board even this..

 

Caterpillar Tractor has built some large (very big) diesels to run on LP/Propane they use 10% diesel to ignite the gas. Propane will not self ignite under pressure.
Then (dunno if this has been mentioned yet) you can inject a little propane into the air intake on a diesel, it is said to improve performance by as much as 30%.Word is that the propane makes the diesel burn more completely. Quite a few trucks in Canada running on a mix of propane/diesel.
Tony

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Yahoo! Member Service <tccservice111@...> wrote:
>
> this is what they are doing all over Europe switching to natural gas.V12s even
>  
>
>
> --- On Tue, 5/1/12, Dwight <dwighthanson@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dwight <dwighthanson@...>
> Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: And while we are letting just about anything post to this board....
> To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 8:53 AM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Are you sure it was natural gas? I have worked with propane before. Good fuel. You can always change it to gas if you want. Different plugs, advance curve, etc. You may need to run premium gas as on propane engines they had higher compression than gas. Natural gas may be the same.
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "n61cm" <jim@> wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't mess with it. Too dangerous IMHO.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <czulli@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So this is off topic, I have been given an RV that runs off of natural gas. Some of you guys know about this conversion. What am I getting into trying to get this RV up and running again? It has not run in 20 years. I think the engine is a Dodge 360 but am not sure. Vogue 30 foot, 1986 vintage.
> > >
> > > Hey, it was free!
> > >
> > > Chip
> > > Houston
> > > Now with a constant storage bill......next best thing to owning a wood boat.
> > >
> >
>

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: And while we are letting just about anything post to this board....

 

this is what they are doing all over Europe switching to natural gas.V12s even
 


--- On Tue, 5/1/12, Dwight <dwighthanson@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Dwight <dwighthanson@hotmail.com>
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Re: And while we are letting just about anything post to this board....
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 8:53 AM

 
Are you sure it was natural gas? I have worked with propane before. Good fuel. You can always change it to gas if you want. Different plugs, advance curve, etc. You may need to run premium gas as on propane engines they had higher compression than gas. Natural gas may be the same.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "n61cm" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't mess with it. Too dangerous IMHO.
>
> Jim
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <czulli@> wrote:
> >
> > So this is off topic, I have been given an RV that runs off of natural gas. Some of you guys know about this conversion. What am I getting into trying to get this RV up and running again? It has not run in 20 years. I think the engine is a Dodge 360 but am not sure. Vogue 30 foot, 1986 vintage.
> >
> > Hey, it was free!
> >
> > Chip
> > Houston
> > Now with a constant storage bill......next best thing to owning a wood boat.
> >
>

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Are you sure it was natural gas? I have worked with propane before. Good fuel. You can always change it to gas if you want. Different plugs, advance curve, etc. You may need to run premium gas as on propane engines they had higher compression than gas. Natural gas may be the same.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "n61cm" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't mess with it. Too dangerous IMHO.
>
> Jim
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <czulli@> wrote:
> >
> > So this is off topic, I have been given an RV that runs off of natural gas. Some of you guys know about this conversion. What am I getting into trying to get this RV up and running again? It has not run in 20 years. I think the engine is a Dodge 360 but am not sure. Vogue 30 foot, 1986 vintage.
> >
> > Hey, it was free!
> >
> > Chip
> > Houston
> > Now with a constant storage bill......next best thing to owning a wood boat.
> >
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Re : CNG Conversions

 


I have operated farm tractors that were factory built to run on LP. They started OK on LP. There is a large regulator which supplies gas to the intake manifold. The motor oil stays clean for over a year because there is little fuel deposit, and the octane rating of the fuel is good. The telephone companies use LP fuel for standby generators at most offices because the generators are not subject to having the carbuerator gum up if is sits unused. The downside is that the LP fuel is more expensive that gasoline in most places.

The problems that you describe in the New Zealand LP conversions were probably caused by using too small a regulator. On the farm tractors with power comparable to a Merc sedan the LP regulator diaphram would be about 8 inches in diameter.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "n61cm" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> There is a diff between LP and CNG, methinks it would be converted for one or the other, prob LP gas in the US since CNG is rare AFAIK. The quickie $1k conversions that I am vaguely familiar with (they used to do this in New Zealand) required starting on gasoline (not familiar with diesel conversions) and then switching a manual fuel selector valve to the compressed gas (LP or CNG) for normal driving. The compressed gas fuel make the engines run hotter and have less power. Expectations were that the engines would wear out quicker using LP or CNG. Long hills, overheating conditions, towing a trailer, etc require liquid fuel. Can be switched on the fly while driving, using the fuel selector valve. In NZ, every gas station sold either LP or CNG for refueling. While I was down there on a trip, a car exploded like a bomb in Wellington, killing the driver. Must have gotten the trunk filled with LP or CNG and then ignited, who knows. I think all these cars were carbureted, but don't really know. Seem to remember a conversion where they took the carb off, put an LP or CNG fuel insert on, and then piggybacked the carb onto that. Don't know what would be used for fuel injected cars.
>
> Jim
>
> --- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <czulli@> wrote:
> >
> > Nate,
> >
> > Thanks for this careful walk through of this LP gas conversion system.
> >
>

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There is a diff between LP and CNG, methinks it would be converted for one or the other, prob LP gas in the US since CNG is rare AFAIK. The quickie $1k conversions that I am vaguely familiar with (they used to do this in New Zealand) required starting on gasoline (not familiar with diesel conversions) and then switching a manual fuel selector valve to the compressed gas (LP or CNG) for normal driving. The compressed gas fuel make the engines run hotter and have less power. Expectations were that the engines would wear out quicker using LP or CNG. Long hills, overheating conditions, towing a trailer, etc require liquid fuel. Can be switched on the fly while driving, using the fuel selector valve. In NZ, every gas station sold either LP or CNG for refueling. While I was down there on a trip, a car exploded like a bomb in Wellington, killing the driver. Must have gotten the trunk filled with LP or CNG and then ignited, who knows. I think all these cars were carbureted, but don't really know. Seem to remember a conversion where they took the carb off, put an LP or CNG fuel insert on, and then piggybacked the carb onto that. Don't know what would be used for fuel injected cars.

Jim

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Chip" <czulli@...> wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> Thanks for this careful walk through of this LP gas conversion system.
>

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