Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Hemp as an oil source.

 

Tony, 
 
    Be careful, don't ascribe anything to "global warming"!  Don't we all know that that is just a marxist, commie made up theory to undermine the capitalist system generally and the clean coal and oil industries in particular? 
 
    I doubt very much that Germany has much in the way of biofuel source material.  I agree that warmer climates may be better able to provide that as a renewable resource. 
 
    But Germany does have solar and wind power, as the article mis-cited by Riker notes.  And both in Europe and in the United States there are companies trying to harness energy from tidal flow. 
 
    Riker does note that his favored Tea Party Republicans are trying to end subsidies for alternate energy sources.  For some reason, he fails to mention the decades of taxpayer subsidies we have given, and continue to give to the petrochemical and nuclear industries that he favors. 
 
    And he ignores, or rejects, other analysts explanations for the documented quality problems at Mercedes in the 1990s.  While other analysts seem to find a basis in Mercedes' diluting management manpower in its failed attempt to work with Chrysler, Riker finds a basis for attacking Mercedes' excellent work force. 
 
    Since ethanol is not as efficient a fuel as gasoline or diesel, I expect that our current corporate/government reliance on ethanol will be short lived.  There may well be both bacterially generated and chemically generated biofuels made from organic material that are more efficient and cost effective than ethanol in the near future. 
 
    Of course, last week's Congressional vote to bar the Pentagon from sourcing renewable fuels, if that process takes profits away from the Saudis and the multinationals that dictate Tea Party Republican policy, will slow the development of alternative fuels, even as it weakens our defense structure. 
 
    I also expect that all European and Asian auto companies, INCLUDING MERCEDES, will continue to develop more efficient electrical drive trains.  The one real impediment to electric cars remains the battery source.  But back in 1776, people were using Leyden Jars.  Then we got Lead Acid.  Then Nicad.  Now Lithium polymers.  Once someone develops a truly high capacity battery, our beloved diesels will really be relics. 
 
    Even now, no petroleum fueled car can match an electric car for acceleration or torque, IF the electric has a sufficient energy source.  The physics of the electric motors are simply too clear, like the difference between analog and digital audio.  (Or am I starting another debate with that claim?). 
 
Tom 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2012 9:33:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aldridgetony97@yahoo.com writes:
 

Tom, Germany has a huge investment in Photo Voltaic power, but are you telling me that they have an economically viable veggie oil growing industry? I would love to be wrong about oil/alcohol crop viability in northern climes. So far there is promise for cellulostic ethanol from wood waste, hereabouts we have huge forests of standing dead pine, that possibly may turn into a viable ethanol business, but that is not from planned planting but is an accident of global warming.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, audiolaw@... wrote:
>
> Tony:
>
> I think that the Germans are going to be very disappointed to learn
> that they don't have enough sunshine to be doing what they actually ARE
> doing. Sort of like the old 'proof' that bumble bees can't actually fly with
> their tiny wings.
>
> I think that your are correct about the corn-ethanol folks. And about
> sugar. One reason Brazil isn't suffering economically the way we are is
> their sugar fuel industry.
>
> Of course, we put prohibitive tariffs on sugar, here in the U.S.,
> forcing the price too high to import it for fuel. We do this even while paying
> billions each year in direct subsidy payments to the sugar industry (helps
> keep lots of Florida Republican corporations happy). If we ended the
> sugar tariffs and subsidies, we could see a dramatic increase in ag-fuel
> production, even while seeing BILLIONS in tax savings each year.
>
> I wonder (no I don't) why the Tea Party Republicans who control both
> houses of Congress right now haven't introduced legislation to end such
> tariffs and subsidies.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/10/2012 11:27:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> aldridgetony97@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> There is little to recommend trying to grow oil crops north of the Mason
> Dixon line, there just is not enough sunshine per square inch.
> The corn oil/ethanol folks only survive because of subsidies. Alcohol is
> much cheaper if made from cane sugar, and veggie oil will be being made from
> algae in order to be economically viable. Hemp may be wonderful in all its
> guises but you have to get into the tropics to be able to use it as fuel.
> Tony.
>
> --- In _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) , Mark Atkins <mratkins@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys, check out hemp (industrial) as an alternative fuel source for
> > our beloved rides. Hemp cannot be grown in the United States but can be
> > in Canada and most other countries AND the products exported to our
> > country. (Why do you suppose that is??) It can be processed into a
> > superior biodiesel fuel, ethanol, many useful products such as clothing,
> > etc., and is even a food (fuel) source for us! It really is an amazing
> > plant.
> >
> > The cannabis variety is not what I am referring, however, it needs to be
> > explored further in the medical community as a curative for some (many)
> > diseases. (Wonder why it is not being?)
> >
> > Links and sources upon request.
> >
> > Mark in Texas
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/10/2012 11:15 AM, Yahoo! Member Service wrote:
> > >
> > > please no Party bickering please.About the Benz,lets convince the
> > > Pres. to make diesel fuel from coal
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On *Sun, 6/10/12, briankk /<briankk@>/* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: briankk <briankk@>
> > > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > > To: _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com)
> > > Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 11:06 AM
> > >
> > > So, after a couple of generations of "education" under disciples
> > > of Bill Ayers, the electorate elects The One as president of the
> > > United States.
> > >
> > > The One immediately attacks resource extraction, shuts down
> > > drilling, promises to put big coal out of business. A few years
> > > later, the electorate is looking for someone to blame for $4.50/ga
> > > fuel, and deprived of mirrors, I guess, decides it's either the
> > > fault of Evil George Bush, or the Tea Party.
> > >
> > > We are doomed....
> > >
> > > bk
> > >
> > > --- On *Sat, 6/9/12, audiolaw@ /<audiolaw@>/* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: audiolaw@ <audiolaw@>
> > > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > > To: _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com)
> > > Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 6:18 PM
> > >
> > > Yeah! 2-4% is the best we can do with both wind and
> > > solar, particularly here in So. Cal.
> > > I saw a news story recently that Germany has actually
> > > achieved *50%* of its energy needs from solar and other
> > > alternative energy sources.
> > > But Germany is so different from So. Cal.
> > > For one thing, they're so much closer to the equator! So
> > > they have so much more sunlight energy to work with.
> > > And they pay their unionized workers much more than we pay
> > > our unionized workers and MUCH MUCH more than we pay our
> > > non-unionized workers (so they get workers actually
> > > contributing ideas and thinking to products and processes).
> > > And because all their children are actually EDUCATED in
> > > public schools, instead of just being warehoused there,
> > > INCLUDING the children of all the immigrant workers that come
> > > to Germany for good jobs, they have much more intellectual
> > > talent to draw on to improve their society.
> > > And because their workers and workers' families all have
> > > health care, they don't have people losing work or thinking
> > > time waiting in line for medical attention, and they are
> > > healthier overall and better able to think about innovative
> > > energy development and usage.
> > > But that's alright, as long as our industrial leaders keep
> > > raking in profits (which they can park overseas) and our
> > > middle class keeps having declining incomes (in real dollars)
> > > it's just fine for us to be convinced that 2-4% is the best we
> > > can do. That just proves that we are so much 'freer' than
> > > those unlucky Germans. (Sigh - when will they ever learn to
> > > make a decent car in that country?)
> > > In a message dated 6/9/2012 6:03:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight
> > > Time, brad_macaboy1234@ writes:
> > >
> > > Gas will be back around $2.50 in November, my prediction.
> > >
> > > I like the idea of wind and solar, but it can only produce
> > > about 2-4% energy of our needs from what I understand.
> > > Diesel and longer chain hydrocarbons are the energy source
> > > for most large scale transpo. Natural gas is taking a
> > > beating, now.
> > >
> > > --- On *Sat, 6/9/12, BStromsoe /<bstromsoe@>/* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: BStromsoe <bstromsoe@>
> > > Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > > To: "_diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) "
> > > <_diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com) >
> > > Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 2:34 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's i9n Venezuela. When I was there in 2003, it was
> > > $0.30 per liter
> > > brian from laverne, ca
> > > Mary (195K) Martha (280K)
> > > 1983 w123 300d's
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From:* Nate <vwnate1@>
> > > *To:* _diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com)
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:23 AM
> > > *Subject:* [diesel_mercedes] They LIED
> > >
> > >
> > > I see where crude oil has dropped to $84 / barrel , so
> > > where the crap is our $2.50 Fuel ? .
> > >
> > > When it was $5.00 / barrel , Diesel briefly jumped to
> > > $5.00 / gallon in Cali.
> > >
> > > Just this morning I saw $3.79 / gallon branded Diesel
> > > fuel , Gasoline is still $4.05 .
> > >
> > > -Nate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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