There is a "reamer" sold by mercedessource (and others).
brian from la verne, ca
From: Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net>
To: Veg oil Diesel <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com>; Veg oil Diesel <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 7:44:55 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Hard starting w/new plugs& relay
From: vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com>;
To: <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: [vegoil-diesel] Digest Number 2840
Sent: Wed, Mar 23, 2011 12:37:11 PM
From: Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net>
To: Veg oil Diesel <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com>; Veg oil Diesel <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 7:44:55 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Hard starting w/new plugs& relay
Still having trouble starting. Real squeeky hard getting the glows out. Suspect carbon build up. How do I fix that? LR |
From: vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com>;
To: <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: [vegoil-diesel] Digest Number 2840
Sent: Wed, Mar 23, 2011 12:37:11 PM
| There are 13 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1a. Re: Elsbett Motors From: John Woolsey 1b. Re: Elsbett Motors From: richard bailey 1c. Re: Elsbett Motors From: Steve Spence 2a. Re: Hard starting 240D starts with no throttle. Veg oil powered. From: battlestarone 2b. Re: Hard starting 240D starts with no throttle. Veg oil powered. From: battlestarone 3a. Re: wvo turned white From: battlestarone 3b. Re: wvo turned white From: Lawrence Rhodes 3c. Re: wvo turned white From: Ernie Romito 3d. Re: wvo turned white From: Steve Spence 4a. Re: UK cars suitable for vegoil? From: battlestarone 5a. UK SVO PRICES From: battlestarone 5b. Re: UK SVO PRICES From: peter.hughes1968 5c. Re: UK SVO PRICES From: Charles Weaver Messages ________________________________________________________________________ 1a. Re: Elsbett Motors Posted by: "John Woolsey" jwoolsey@activation.net j_woolsey Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:24 am ((PDT)) There might be fuel efficiency issues. Speaking of which does anyone know how efficient the engine/generators in a hybrid system are? On 3/20/2011 8:57 PM, Steve Spence wrote: > What's the point of elsbett motors when any diesel engine can run on hot > vegetable oil, without any "manufacturing"? > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:05:38 -0400, JPChance<solar7man@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Since all diesel engines can be manufactured as Elsbett motors to be >> flexibly fueled with straight vegetable oil (SVO) and/or petro-diesel, >> what is the point of investing much more resources in biodiesel >> refineries rather than allowing a free and fair market for Elsbett >> motors and the production of organic canola and other environmentally >> benign vegetable oil? >> >> >> > Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Elsbett Motors Posted by: "richard bailey" dbindia2012@yahoo.com dbindia2012 Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:25 am ((PDT)) Well boys, I'm afraid it just has to do with 'centralizing ' ALL energy sources into for- profit corporations that are 'funded' by the GREED of investers. Refined "Bio"-diesel, just like corn-based ethanol, just keeps the money in the hands The Few with government subsidies funding futile attempts at actually making a dent in our CO2 emissions. Before 1980, there were solar panels popping up like sunflowers in Arizona. But when Ronald Reagan was elected President of these here 'United' States by Republicorp, they died like tumble weeds in the desert. Federal subsidies from President Carter's D.O.E. ( which actually WAS the Dept.of Energy, which became the agency that included nuclear testing in Nevada) nearly all funds were transferred from Solar to Oil, Coal and Nuclear. Today our 'new' teabagger, Republicorp House, just passed a bill to zero out funding for sustainable energy and fund more nukes to be built. Along with 'clean coal', my man Obama, the 'Green Prez', also wants new nukes to cover that "20% of energy we need". In light of the recent tragedy in Japan, I find this more than disheartening. What's wrong with the idea of reducing our energy needs by 20%? Simply stated, it wouldn't be as profitable...same could be said for converting diesels to Elsbett Motors for WVO. Unless GM and Exon/Mobil got involved, to be later bailed out by Federal 'Stimuli'...IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! ________________________________ From: Steve Spence <steve@green-trust.org> To: vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 5:57:55 PM Subject: Re: [vegoil-diesel] Elsbett Motors What's the point of elsbett motors when any diesel engine can run on hot vegetable oil, without any "manufacturing"? On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:05:38 -0400, JPChance <solar7man@yahoo.com> wrote: > Since all diesel engines can be manufactured as Elsbett motors to be > flexibly fueled with straight vegetable oil (SVO) and/or petro-diesel, > what is the point of investing much more resources in biodiesel > refineries rather than allowing a free and fair market for Elsbett > motors and the production of organic canola and other environmentally > benign vegetable oil? > > > -- Steve Spence Renewable energy and self sufficiency http://www.green-trust.org http://arduinotronics.blogspot.com ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 1c. Re: Elsbett Motors Posted by: "Steve Spence" steve@green-trust.org sspence65 Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:16 pm ((PDT)) There's no fuel efficiency differences. vegetable oil has a specific btu. elsbett has not made a physics break through in combustion. On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:06:14 -0400, John Woolsey <jwoolsey@activation.net> wrote: > There might be fuel efficiency issues. Speaking of which does anyone > know how efficient the engine/generators in a hybrid system are? > > On 3/20/2011 8:57 PM, Steve Spence wrote: >> What's the point of elsbett motors when any diesel engine can run on hot >> vegetable oil, without any "manufacturing"? >> >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:05:38 -0400, JPChance<solar7man@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Since all diesel engines can be manufactured as Elsbett motors to be >>> flexibly fueled with straight vegetable oil (SVO) and/or petro-diesel, >>> what is the point of investing much more resources in biodiesel >>> refineries rather than allowing a free and fair market for Elsbett >>> motors and the production of organic canola and other environmentally >>> benign vegetable oil? >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > -- Steve Spence Renewable energy and self sufficiency http://www.green-trust.org http://arduinotronics.blogspot.com Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2a. Re: Hard starting 240D starts with no throttle. Veg oil powered. Posted by: "battlestarone" battlestarone@yahoo.co.uk battlestarone Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:24 am ((PDT)) good glow plugs are a must.even if you have one plug faulty this can lead to hard starts,46f that cold,a few blasts in the glow plugs is normal for a diesel to cough into life is very cold weather,cars had book should also tell you this,so make sure you plugs and you battery are tip top condition. svo,60k miles 6years,jeep cherokee xj,2.5td,no problems. regards brian --- In vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote: > > I've been having a lot of trouble starting the 83 240D as the temperatures have been getting colder here in San Francisco. We have used the start with quarter throttle to full throttle after a few cranks technique. I just tried two cycles of the glow plugs then no throttle. Holy Cow. It started and idled just fine after a few seconds of cranking at 46°F. What have I been doing wrong all these years. What is the proper technique for starting a single tank veggie diesel? My 77 240 starts totally different. Quarter throttle and rough running till it warms for a 20 seconds. It always starts easily but roughly. Thanks all for any advice. I've been running SVO in the 77 for 6 years. Lawrence Rhodes...... > Messages in this topic (4) ________________________________________________________________________ 2b. Re: Hard starting 240D starts with no throttle. Veg oil powered. Posted by: "battlestarone" battlestarone@yahoo.co.uk battlestarone Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:25 am ((PDT)) good advise,i also never drive untill there is some heat in the engine in the winter. regards brian --- In vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com, ozzie sutcliffe <oz.sutcliffe@...> wrote: > > Cycling the glow plugs works much better when you wait about 30 seconds > between cycles ,not after the buzzer/light goes out. > The reason is to let the head dissipate from the glow plug, quick recycling > means nothing as the glowplug knows its to hot and the relay will cut juice > to it. > On dyno my 87 300 will start on 3 cycles no fuel in 10 degree weather. > A little lumpy at the start but that due to the dirty injectors I never got > to clean this summer. > Also if a glow plug or two is not as "hot" as the others it will cause it to > be lumpy . > Don't hammer the gas when its cold, let it warm up . I never move until the > temp gauge hits the first line going up. > > oz > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Messages in this topic (4) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 3a. Re: wvo turned white Posted by: "battlestarone" battlestarone@yahoo.co.uk battlestarone Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:25 am ((PDT)) i still dont inderstand why the barrel would have turned to white gunk,even after i warm it up and drain it of is there still a chance that this stuff could turn to gunk while in my cars tank over night,i have used svo for many years and although it goes heavier when cold it doens not turn white as you more than likely know,mixing it with some derv of petrol during thie winter does the tricki find,but with this wvo i am not so sure,just dont want any problems having to take a tank off a cherokee is not something i really want to do some day. regards brian in glasgow --- In vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Weaver" <charles@...> wrote: > > Just warm it up before filtering. B&Q sell a small heater about 18" long > for heating towel rails. Put one of those in the drum for a time. They are > quite safe immersed in oil, as oil is an insulator. I use one in the bottom > of a full 200 liter tank overnight before the final polish. Charles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "battlestarone" <battlestarone@...> > To: <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 1:16 PM > Subject: [vegoil-diesel] wvo turned white > > > >i have a few drums of wvo that were given to me a last summer,i put them in > >my garage and went back to check on them a few days ago,they have turned > >white and thick like sludge over the winter,there is no runny brown oil to > >be seen in the drums,just this sludge even though when i got the oil the > >was a small maount of white at the botton and the rest of the drum was just > >like dark brown oil for a good few weeks after. > > > > it has been a very cold winter here in scotland,the inside temp of the > > garage does not get above 10c just now,if i bring the oil drums inside and > > warm the to 18-20c for a few days i reckon this will bring back the nice > > brown oil,then i can pour it off and start dewatering and > > filtering....advise needed!!!!!!! > > > > am i going down the right road here or is this oil just rubbish and for > > the dump > > > > regards brian > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 36073 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 3b. Re: wvo turned white Posted by: "Lawrence Rhodes" primobassoon@sbcglobal.net primobassoon@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:25 am ((PDT)) Just bring your drums into the sunlight. Never ever heat WVO. All you will do is allow unwanted particles to pass through your filter media. I always filter cold. It is more cost effective. .40 to 80F. I can't tell you how many cubes of "professionally" filtered oil I have gotten with garbage in the bottom of the container when allowed to settle. My settleings if any are like rouge power. Not much and very fine. Heating the oil does speed up the process but the product is dirty. I just use blue jeans hose clamped at the cuff. Filter at room temperature. My 10 micron filter lasts 5 to 8 thousand miles. The 5 micron secondary less time. Maybe 3 to 4k each. Lawrence Rhodes..... Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 3c. Re: wvo turned white Posted by: "Ernie Romito" newkens1@yahoo.com newkens1 Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:30 am ((PDT)) Try heating a few liters to about 55C to see what happens. It may return to the dark amber color. It is worth a try. ER --- On Sun, 3/20/11, battlestarone <battlestarone@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: battlestarone <battlestarone@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [vegoil-diesel] wvo turned white To: vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 9:16 AM i have a few drums of wvo that were given to me a last summer,i put them in my garage and went back to check on them a few days ago,they have turned white and thick like sludge over the winter,there is no runny brown oil to be seen in the drums,just this sludge even though when i got the oil the was a small maount of white at the botton and the rest of the drum was just like dark brown oil for a good few weeks after. it has been a very cold winter here in scotland,the inside temp of the garage does not get above 10c just now,if i bring the oil drums inside and warm the to 18-20c for a few days i reckon this will bring back the nice brown oil,then i can pour it off and start dewatering and filtering....advise needed!!!!!!! am i going down the right road here or is this oil just rubbish and for the dump regards brian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ 3d. Re: wvo turned white Posted by: "Steve Spence" steve@green-trust.org sspence65 Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:17 pm ((PDT)) white is either solidified fats, hydrogenated oil, or water contaminated oil. On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:39:16 -0400, battlestarone <battlestarone@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > i still dont inderstand why the barrel would have turned to white > gunk,even after i warm it up and drain it of is there still a chance > that this stuff could turn to gunk while in my cars tank over night,i > have used svo for many years and although it goes heavier when cold it > doens not turn white as you more than likely know,mixing it with some > derv of petrol during thie winter does the tricki find,but with this wvo > i am not so sure,just dont want any problems having to take a tank off a > cherokee is not something i really want to do some day. > > regards brian in glasgow > > > --- In vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Weaver" <charles@...> > wrote: >> >> Just warm it up before filtering. B&Q sell a small heater about 18" >> long >> for heating towel rails. Put one of those in the drum for a time. They >> are >> quite safe immersed in oil, as oil is an insulator. I use one in the >> bottom >> of a full 200 liter tank overnight before the final polish. Charles >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "battlestarone" <battlestarone@...> >> To: <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 1:16 PM >> Subject: [vegoil-diesel] wvo turned white >> >> >> >i have a few drums of wvo that were given to me a last summer,i put >> them in >> >my garage and went back to check on them a few days ago,they have >> turned >> >white and thick like sludge over the winter,there is no runny brown >> oil to >> >be seen in the drums,just this sludge even though when i got the oil >> the >> >was a small maount of white at the botton and the rest of the drum was >> just >> >like dark brown oil for a good few weeks after. >> > >> > it has been a very cold winter here in scotland,the inside temp of >> the >> > garage does not get above 10c just now,if i bring the oil drums >> inside and >> > warm the to 18-20c for a few days i reckon this will bring back the >> nice >> > brown oil,then i can pour it off and start dewatering and >> > filtering....advise needed!!!!!!! >> > >> > am i going down the right road here or is this oil just rubbish and >> for >> > the dump >> > >> > regards brian >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 36073 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> > > -- Steve Spence Renewable energy and self sufficiency http://www.green-trust.org http://arduinotronics.blogspot.com Messages in this topic (6) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 4a. Re: UK cars suitable for vegoil? Posted by: "battlestarone" battlestarone@yahoo.co.uk battlestarone Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:25 am ((PDT)) pre 2001 jeep cherokee is good,we have done 60k miles in 6 yrs no major problems on new svo,,,no mods just in the tank and mixed with derv in the colder weather,also som acitone now and then to keep everything clean,,,,mots emisions are well down to the point the mot station does not bother even taking a sniff with there machine. regards brian --- In vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com, vegoil@... wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there a list of UK cars suitable for running on veg oil? > > From what I have read, I understand modern HDI engines are not > suitable, so I need something older and something with a Bosch fuel > pump, not a Lucas one. > > How easy are fuel pumps to change if you have a car with a Lucas and > want to switch it for a Bosch? > > I also read that an in-line fuel pump was even better. Which cars have > these? > > I think I read that Peugots and Citroens were ideal because they also > had a fuel heater. Do all Peugots and Citroens have this or just > selected models (if so, which)? > > Are there any other desirable things to look for? > > Thanks in advance. > Messages in this topic (14) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 5a. UK SVO PRICES Posted by: "battlestarone" battlestarone@yahoo.co.uk battlestarone Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:34 am ((PDT)) where are the best place in the uk for new svo,getting cheap svo is becoming hard to find due to failing crops and stock market shortages and poor exchange rates to the uk pound,best i have seen for a whire was COSTCO 20ltr drums coming in at around £1.10 per ltr a few weeks ago,huge increase in price over the last few years,up around 30%. so where the best deals lower than £1.10 per ltr regards brian Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ 5b. Re: UK SVO PRICES Posted by: "peter.hughes1968" peter.hughes1968@btinternet.com peter524757 Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:27 pm ((PDT)) Makro is 1 pound a litre Sent from my HTC -----Original Message----- From: battlestarone <battlestarone@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 10:28 PM To: vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [vegoil-diesel] UK SVO PRICES where are the best place in the uk for new svo,getting cheap svo is becoming hard to find due to failing crops and stock market shortages and poor exchange rates to the uk pound,best i have seen for a whire was COSTCO 20ltr drums coming in at around £1.10 per ltr a few weeks ago,huge increase in price over the last few years,up around 30%. so where the best deals lower than £1.10 per ltr regards brian Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | [The entire original message is not included] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ 5c. Re: UK SVO PRICES Posted by: "Charles Weaver" charles@cadgwith.com chimneysweep2003 Date: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:35 pm ((PDT)) My local tandoori take away gives it to me for nothing ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter.hughes1968" <peter.hughes1968@btinternet.com> To: <vegoil-diesel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 2:29 AM Subject: RE: [vegoil-diesel] UK SVO PRICES Makro is 1 pound a litre -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 36283 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message Messages in this topic (3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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