Re: [diesel_mercedes] Replacing door seals W123 - seeking advice

 

On 3/11/2011 5:41 PM, n61cm wrote:

 

Car noisy when driving interstate speeds. Can't feel air blowing around door but a lot of noise from that area. Haven't inspected the door seals with fine tooth comb but cursory glance they look OK. Wondering if they just get smashed too much over the years and lose their expansion or something, and fail to seal even though they look OK.

Thanks, y'all,

Jim

Try sitting in the car when someone sprays water on the outside of the door.  If you don't get wet the seals are probably good.  If the seals look ok you might also try adjusting the door latch.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Replacing door seals W123 - seeking advice

 

On 3/11/2011 7:32 PM, BStromsoe wrote:

 
I have 8 doors (2 1983 w123s). 3 doors have new seals, 2 doors have repairs with weather stripping, and 3 doors are 25+ years old. I can't tell any difference between any of the doors re leaks or noises. But, then I am in sunny So. Cal. most of the time - still, I don't get road noise, just that clickity clack from the diesel engine.

PS - I was surprised to discover that the "thunk" when you close your MB doors does NOT come from having a good door seal, instead it comes from the clever engineering trick of having the male prongor enter the female prongee and center itself. Apparently all the seal does is keep rain and wind out.
 
brian from la verne, ca



From: n61cm <jim@tazwade.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 2:41:35 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Replacing door seals W123 - seeking advice

 

Car noisy when driving interstate speeds. Can't feel air blowing around door but a lot of noise from that area. Haven't inspected the door seals with fine tooth comb but cursory glance they look OK. Wondering if they just get smashed too much over the years and lose their expansion or something, and fail to seal even though they look OK.

Thanks, y'all,

Jim


For Shame! You shouldn't talk about the naughty bits on a public forum.

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: A little gas in the tank

 

On 3/12/2011 6:29 AM, Chip wrote:

 


Duane,

Wives are just not that hard to come by. Get a new one.

Chip
Houston

They might not be hard to come by,but the can be dammed expensive to get rid of.  Of course Henry the Eighth had that down pat but his procedures seem to be frowned upon these days.

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RE: [diesel_mercedes] Replacing door seals W123 - seeking advice

 

Are they still soft and supple, or kinda hard?  The ones on my Las Vegas-sourced '77 300D LOOKED ok, but, they were hard, and, I believe they had shrunk a bit, too.  The worst symptom was the whistling howl over 50 MPH as the wind would pull the door open ever so slightly....

Mark in Lakewood, CO


To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
From: jim@tazwade.com
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:41:35 +0000
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Replacing door seals W123 - seeking advice

 
Car noisy when driving interstate speeds. Can't feel air blowing around door but a lot of noise from that area. Haven't inspected the door seals with fine tooth comb but cursory glance they look OK. Wondering if they just get smashed too much over the years and lose their expansion or something, and fail to seal even though they look OK.

Thanks, y'all,

Jim


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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Detroit engine seizure OK lets talk

 

I've experienced the situation where freeze plugs have fallen out from  an engine. Years ago I worked on a line crew and the freeze plug on the IH motor started to leak; we'd have to add water as we used the truck. Eventually it leaked faster than we could add water and the truck would overheat if we didn't shut it down. The cause of the failure was operation in -30F weather; the engine heated unevenly and the plug heated more slowly than the block. I doubt the plug was that cold when it was originally installed.

--- On Sat, 3/12/11, diyernh <diyernh@comcast.net> wrote:

From: diyernh <diyernh@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Detroit engine seizure OK lets talk
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 4:34 PM



the real purpose of freeze plugs is for casting the engine.  The hollow passages inside the engine need to be molded with sand.  The connections of the sand mold are through the freeze plugs.  they bore out the holes and push in light sheetmetal plugs in the holes.  There are usually one on the block, below the heads, between each cylinder.  some may be on the front/back of the engine also.

They call these freeze plugs, thinking that if water freezes in the engine, it will push out the sheet metal plugs, avoiding damage to the engine casting.  They may work that way sometimes, but usually the engine is destroyed.  Don't trust them.

Every cast engine will have "freeze" plugs.

Carl



On 3/12/2011 12:11 PM, c24052000 wrote:
 
doug, What is the purpose of the freeze plug? where is it located?
Do I have one on my 300sd?
Thanks
Chuck




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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Re: Detroit engine seizure OK lets talk

 

the real purpose of freeze plugs is for casting the engine.  The hollow passages inside the engine need to be molded with sand.  The connections of the sand mold are through the freeze plugs.  they bore out the holes and push in light sheetmetal plugs in the holes.  There are usually one on the block, below the heads, between each cylinder.  some may be on the front/back of the engine also.

They call these freeze plugs, thinking that if water freezes in the engine, it will push out the sheet metal plugs, avoiding damage to the engine casting.  They may work that way sometimes, but usually the engine is destroyed.  Don't trust them.

Every cast engine will have "freeze" plugs.

Carl



On 3/12/2011 12:11 PM, c24052000 wrote:

 

doug, What is the purpose of the freeze plug? where is it located?
Do I have one on my 300sd?
Thanks
Chuck


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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Glow plug function not restored.

 

I agree with the "3 prong" approach, I had problems with an '83 300TD Turbo a few times. Had fuel gel in the lines after sitting unstarted half the winter and had to bleed the lines at the injectors untill I had flow to each cylinder, Had to do a battery recharge once in the process. The other time the plastic primer pump had a hairline crack that developed after a fuel filters change with probably a little to vigorious amount of priming and it wouldn't start.

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote:
>
> After testing all the glow plugs in the 83 240D and installing a new glow plug
> relay 12v is flowing to all glow plugs now but starting function is still not
> there.  Much cranking is needed. I have started this car in sub 40 degree
> weather after overnight cooling on vegetable oil using no throttle and getting a
> smooth idle.  Is it possible for a glow plug to test good but not function
> sufficently to warm the chamber fooling the relay into glowing the dash light? 
> In the past when more than one glow plug was bad the relay won't kick in.  Still
> starting hard at 40 degrees.  Shouldn't a battery sag test work to see if the
> glow plugs are drawing current?  If so what is the battery sag when all four
> plugs are drawing current?  Can a functioning glow plug not function because of
> dirt covering them in the chamber?  Any other way a glow will not function but
> test good?  Lawrence Rhodes....
>

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RE: [diesel_mercedes] A little gas in the tank

 

I do it on purpose at the direction of my Mercedes mechanic to kill the growth in the tank that hangs up the fuel level sender

 

From: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BStromsoe
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:00 AM
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] A little gas in the tank

 

 

Give her a big hug and kiss, and tell her she helped clean some gunk out of your fuel lines - but don't do it again.

 

brian from la verne, ca

 

 


From: Duane <middledn@yahoo.com>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 10:26:22 PM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] A little gas in the tank

 

Oops! My wife was out with my 300CD and put about a gallon of gasoline in the tank before she realized that the pump with the green handle wasn't diesel. She didn't know what to do so she filled it up with diesel and came home. The mix in the tank is about 5% gas and 95% no2 diesel. The car seems to run OK. Is this fatal? What should I do?

Duane
1978 300CD

 

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Detroit engine seizure OK lets talk

 

doug, What is the purpose of the freeze plug? where is it located?
Do I have one on my 300sd?
Thanks
Chuck

--- In diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com, "Doug" <doug.traylor@...> wrote:
>
> OK, not reaching 80C on the MBs temp gage seems very wrong to me, mine runs even hotter during cold snaps here in Texas, almost reaches 100C which does not bother me at all, Diesels do not need to run cold. Designed to do that, due to the cold weather in Germany, I have talked to some Mercedes Diesel techs in Germany during vacations there.
>
> I would check the thermostat, maybe it is stuck open or missing, IE none installed, both can be a serious problem in the long run. Engines need to run at normal operating temps. Some people leave the thermostat out on purpose, thinking that its better an maybe help the engine not to overheat. Engines need to warm up at the designed rate, not fast or slower, that causes problems, some are long term problems an not easily detected tho.
>
> Thats a shade tree theory. IE, Leaving the thermostat out. Causes problems in most engines, common cause of camshaft failure in the best of GM gas engines, the Olds V8s of the 50s thru late 90s, aka Kettering Engine, also used by the Army as a tank an other vehicle engine.
>
> The Mercedes engines are designed by some top notch design engineers, its a fallacy to think we can improve on these engines by leaving out parts or listening too the parts being sold by aftermarket companies.
>
> One example is a glow plug kit, called an "upgrade kit", for our MB Diesels, but I think its asking for trouble, because with this kit, the glow plugs stay on much longer allowing the engine to run better cold, which serves only too think its ok to run at highway speeds with a cold engine, I mean it sounds good too most drivers, not too me tho, I hear sounds that indicate too me, its wrong, an hard on engine parts, especially the many bearings an bearing surfaces in the engine.
>
> Another common shade tree theory is altering the percentage of anti freeze to water ratio, most pro techs know the proper ratio, for their area of the country, according to the coldest ambient temp expected.
> For example here along the Gulf Coast of Texas, an this is GM spec for gas an Diesels, we use the -06 Degrees F as a rule of thumb, but many use a simpler 50 / 50 % mix as a rule, which sometimes does cause problems. One has too remember the chill factor too, an many people leave their cars outside, even with the grill, radiator towards the wind.
>
> I do not like the pre mix sold now days, they are not mixed very accurately, have seen some tests on them, often failed testing, too much water, but of course that increases their bottom line, IE profits, water is cheap.
>
> No doubt some people use the wrong anti freeze for the MBs, maybe save a buck or two, using off brand products, maybe wrong type,,then experience expensive repairs later, down the road, maybe a water pump or radiator replacement far too early in the wear cycle.
>
> While on the topic, I do strongly believe in a product called BARS Leak, thats a brand name, not a generic name, used it since the 1950s in customers an my personal cars, have faith in that brand name, as its served me well over the years.
>
> Another fallacy,, running NO ANTIFREEZE,, at all, proper antifreeze mix needs to be used year round an changed out every two years, FLUSH,, an small bottle of Bars Leaks added too. Prestone products have been great for many years, antifreeze, testers, flush kits, flush chemicals all work well if used as directions indicate.
>
> Now let me touch on Freeze plugs, they commonly fail, but some count on them to always work, well, not even OE or even Dorman work well, most of the time it because of improper installation, or failure too properly maintain the cooling system. Cracked engine blocks from overheating or freezing up are common, an destroys expensive engines.
>
> I have priced used MB Diesel engines here in the Houston area, hard to find, an expensive too, about 3K is common, except from an individual who does not know the value of those engines,. Who knows what you will get either, maybe worn out an basically junk for high dollar.
>
> OK, last topic, strongly urge you guys to get a long skinny car rear view mirror for your tool box, it works well with a small flashlight, to check the weep hole on the bottom of the water pump for leaking, should do this evertime you change oil an filter or under the hood for other service an/or repairs.
>
> OK now for the guy with the sick Detroit, liner packs are available for those engines,, to repair busted, ruined individual cylinders, thats a complete cylinder liner, with piston an rod already installed, makes it simple an less expensive to repair a Detroit, pretty easy actually, just lots of hard work, I have done that up to even V 16s such as the 149 series, 556, an others too, that is the number of cubic inches per cylinder, used as a series number.
> Use the genuine Detroit parts, the made in China junk will waste your time an money, make you mad too. Just make sure the crankshaft is not damaged, or the engine block. I have repaired some major block damage tho, even thrown rods, thru the block side, an damaged cam bearing bores too.
> Doug
>

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: Glow plug function not restored.

 

If it starts after a lot of cranking, it could be an air bubble in the fuel system. If you get it started, and can turn it off and start it right back up with no problem, but let it sit overnight and then it takes a lot of cranking to start, that could be an air leak into the fuel system. I'd look around for leaking fuel lines, air bubbles growing overnight in the little fuel filter, loose fuel hoses, that kind of thing.

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[diesel_mercedes] Re: All this talk about diesel

 

Pretty neat refining rig, nice design, the spin speed seems to be a bit slow, our Navy purifiers spun at about 60,000 RPMs if I remember right, but they were 440Volt an much higher capacity than the home brew rig. No doubt this rig gets the job done well for the home brew fuels fan..
 
  Two things here, maybe help someone,,  I don't remember the source or brand name but there are litmus paper strips that can detect water in fuels.  also GM has sensors for water in fuel, as far back as the early 80s, should be listed under AC Delco sensors+water, maybe Google that, if interested.
 
  I may install one later, maybe when I do the timing chain, water pump an valve adjust late this year, maybe early next year. Also maybe a truck size fuel filter with clear bowl, an drain valve too, could not hurt, injectors an pumps are very expensive, an I do not like being broke down on the side of the road. 
 
  Preventative measures are generally good investment in time an money.  I remember the drain valves an settlement area we built on our locomotives at ARMCO Steel, saved us time an hassle cutting the 650 gallon steel tanks open with a small cutting torch, an risking a flash fire too. Cleaning them out that way was a hassle.
 
  BTW, those fuel tank screens on the MB, can be cleaned real well with a can of spray Carb / Injector cleaner, have done that every two years, never had to buy a new screen.. 46 mm socket about $20, at discount parts. 
 
Also,  I jack up the rear of he car, put it high on jack stands to do this screen cleaning, an use a suction hand pump to take a sample of the fuel from the low part of the tank, an check for water there. 
 Never let it sit overnight with less than 1/3 of a tank of fuel, avoiding water from the tank condensation.  That an a small bottle of Lucas fuel treatment, frm Wal-mart an I have minimum problems, did have it slow down one night, changed the primary filter an it went back to running like new.  That was from fuel at a Valero Station,  do not do that again.  Dirty fuel for sure, stay with Conoco, an Chevron.
 
    Doug  in Baytown, TX

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Re: [diesel_mercedes] Glow plug function not restored.

 

Well Lawrence, you may have the old 3 prong attack to solve:  1. electricity flow,  2. fuel flow,  3. air flow

Got to have all 3 going for you to make things work. If you are getting good juice at the glow plugs, maybe it is time to check your fuel flow.

brian from la verne, ca



From: Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@sbcglobal.net>
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 6:50:45 AM
Subject: [diesel_mercedes] Glow plug function not restored.

 

After testing all the glow plugs in the 83 240D and installing a new glow plug
relay 12v is flowing to all glow plugs now but starting function is still not
there.  Much cranking is needed. I have started this car in sub 40 degree
weather after overnight cooling on vegetable oil using no throttle and getting a
smooth idle.  Is it possible for a glow plug to test good but not function
sufficently to warm the chamber fooling the relay into glowing the dash light? 
In the past when more than one glow plug was bad the relay won't kick in.  Still
starting hard at 40 degrees.  Shouldn't a battery sag test work to see if the
glow plugs are drawing current?  If so what is the battery sag when all four
plugs are drawing current?  Can a functioning glow plug not function because of
dirt covering them in the chamber?  Any other way a glow will not function but
test good?  Lawrence Rhodes....


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