I admire Ford for showing a profit thru this economic mess... producing the Mustang, GT40, etc., just shows the American spirit....(obviously, I love my MB diesel, too)
Ford produced some drek cars in the '70's and '80's ...most had lubrication problems. Me Mum had a 400 CID wagon that was a POS; she bought it off the floor (as women do...yeah, sorry for the sexism) , but it was the second Ford "we" owned with oiling probs and engine failure.... Never thought I'd buy a Ford, but my 850 Volvo 'has been good to me.' A little "thank you" to the gang here for their insight,patience, and help thru the years.. ;-). It is an extraordinary group, y'all dun saved me thousands of dollars over the years.
--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] (OT) For the gearheads
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 1:11 PM
Ford owns 51% of Mazda, or did at last knowledge of mine, and have been partners with them for many years. Look at the Ranger and Mazda "B" series trucks as a good example of similarity. Of course Chrysler and Daimler were partners, GM and Saturn, GEO, Isuzu, et.al., so Ford is not the only culprit. They ALL do it! As for "detuning" the2.3L's, that was due to government regulations on emissions and CAFE ratings and not particularly because they "did not have a trans". I believe the 2.3L "Lima" four was the same design from 1974 until 2001, or so. The 2.3 Turbo used in some Mustang "Cobras, SVO Mustang, and Thunderbird Turbo Coupe were the higher performance versions not offered with automatics. These were all high performance cars and manual transmissions were preferred over automatics due to weight and performance characteristics. Ford had several good automatics that would easily hold the power but buyers wanted manuals. Heck, the plain old C4 automatic would hold that power, is lighter than a Powerglide and had one more gear! The later 2.0 and 2.3 engines have been the Mazda design but the point is that ALL American car manufacturers do this. It's what makes the most $$$ for ANY given manufacturer. Mark in Texas On 7/15/2011 11:15 AM, briankk wrote: I've had a thing about Ford ever since I learned that they de-tuned the 2.3 turbo motor over the life of its production run, so that they wouldn't have to come up with a transmission that would handle the load. Thing is, they had a box that would handle the load, the C6 automatic, but no, they stuck with the C3 and shrunk the turbo, 'till the last year the 2.3 turbo motor was produced, it had an IHI turbo sourced from a 2 liter Mazda..
bk
--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: Mark Atkins <mratkins@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [diesel_mercedes] (OT) For the gearheads
To: diesel_mercedes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 8:58 AM
Brian,
I believe if you will check ALL manufacturers warranties you will find the same general policy. Even Mercedes! People buy these already highly "tuned" cars and add their own mods to increase the outputs above safe stress levels and expect the manufacturers to fix THEIR mistakes?
Try taking a naturally aspirated Mercedes 5 banger, hang a turbo on it, and turn the pump up for maximum output and see how long it lasts! A turboed motor with the pump turned up will last MUCH longer than the n/a one. It all has to do with design!
Go buy you a new G(overnment)M Duramax or Z-28 Camaro and try it for yourself!
Mark in Texas
On 7/15/2011 9:31 AM, briankk wrote:
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